Wednesday, August 03, 2005

Comments are welcomed

I've activated the comments icon. Your emails are so good these days, I thought all that wit and wisdom should be shared. So email me as usual, or post a comment by clicking below. Thanks! And for all my friends returning for the fall semester, welcome back and I'll see you at Starbucks.


Blogger David St Lawrence said...

Thanks for opening the gates to comments. My readers are enthralled with your site and this change lets them contribute to the exchange.

Now, if you can only figure out how to add trackbacks, you will have a site that is as functional as it is attractive. :)

11:05 AM  
Anonymous liddybugs said...

I wish I could take your class just to see some of this stuff for real!!! But alas, I could not afford the tuition for such frivolous credit so I will continue to read. Besides, my boss would probably not let me off for class with all the drive time.

11:47 AM  
Blogger Angelposh said...

Your site is awesome. I went to Highland Park High School and my sister just graduated from SMU. Everything you tell I've lived and seen. My sister just laughs because it's all true. She got her fake I.D. from the kid you wrote about.

11:51 AM  
Blogger Lizett! said...

I've wanted to comment on the "weird places people have sex on campus" post for a while, but alas, the hilarity of the blog usually makes me forget what I was going to post. Anyway, I just graduated from a prominent Catholic university in Indiana, and I knew of at least three people who had had sex in one of the many chapels on campus. Also - I went to visit SMU in April because I was considering going to law school there, but when I deceded against it when I was greeted by the "Ashleys" and "Brads" you speak of. I've had enough of those in college, don't need it from law school.

1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your blog is positively brilliant. The scary thing is, most, if not all, of it holds true at Seminary and Graduate School as well. Especially the Brads, Toms and Ashleys.

1:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went to a private university in the south. Your blog is refreshing because it truly addresses the reality of the college experience. It angered me to see how the Brads and Ashleys took for granted an education that other's had to work their tails off for. It angered me when people in my class would make a point of not acknowledging me outside of class because I didn't have the right clothes, or car or bag or last name. It angered me that I would be forced to sit through class after class where students didn't read the assigned readings but stupidly participated in discussions in class. This was because "speaking in class" accounted for some percentage of their grade. I suppose it was much easier to arrogantly spout off idiotic opinions than actually read the material and attempt to understand it!

I didn't enjoy college very much. Maybe I wasn't drunk enough. Maybe I didn't shop enough. I guess I spent too much time trying to learn rather than partying my way to a degree. Silly me. I wish someone had told me what college was really about, so I could have known better how to prepare.

2:30 PM  
Blogger Angel, librarian and educator said...

I am glad you opened the comments. I have often wanted to comment as well. I was an adjunct not that long ago, and a lot of what you write about I either lived it or can identify with it. This is a very well written and interesting blog that I tell others about. Keep on writing and best.

3:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the phantomprof allow her blog fans to meet her in person?

3:37 PM  
Blogger Mr. Meatsweats said...

I graduated from SMU a little over a year ago. I am a male, but not a "Tom" or "Brad" so to speak. I didn't receive one single scholarship or any financial aid. In fact, my parents went nearly bankrupt sending me to SMU. Why? Because they, as well as myself, value a good education from Professors such as you Elaine, as well as Rita, Kathy, Chris, Nina & Craig, Gracie, etc. What my parents don't value, nor do I, is all this bullshit you're spinning about how snobby and superficial and ignorant SMU students are. I am not one of the ones that drives an $80,000 car, but do I hold that against them? Hell no. It's one thing to make light of certain situations and divulge a few funny stories here and there (not at your former students' expense), but to bitch and moan because you have zero money and many people at SMU have more $$ than you'll ever have makes no sense to me. My mom once told me, "you can have all the money in the world and still have no class." Looks to me like you don't have either. Have a good day!

3:47 PM  
Anonymous meat b.o. said...

I don't know, the name Meatsweats sounds pretty Tom to me.

4:34 PM  
Blogger Al said...

Leaving BS comments to a Prof that effectively lost her job because of people like you and your parents is definitely a sign of class.

What do you care what a prof says about your school (even though the school is never named) or people that obviously aren't you? Does it make your education less valuable or is this simply a pride thing, little man?

4:36 PM  
Blogger Jess said...

Wow, Phantom, it only took you 16 comments to catch a troll! That's got to be some kind of record.

Keep up the good work, we love you!

4:41 PM  
Blogger Mr. Meatsweats said...

That's how stereotypes are perpetuated. What do you care about all the negativity towards minorities, assuming you're not one? Same damn thing. How did she lose her job because of me? What did I have to do with that? She was never even a professor of mine. She lost her job because the school didn't need her, or didn't need her writing a bunch of bullshit about the school. If the school's so bad, why was such a glorious Professor like Elaine Liner teaching there in the first place, And yes it is a pride thing, because, as I said I am neither a Tom nor a Brad and yes, I do take pride in my alma mater, you little bitch.

5:01 PM  
Blogger Al said...

But obviously no pride or self-respect for yourself. Your pride seems to come before integrity too.

Go troll elsewhere. Our host made the mistake of actually speaking the truth about what she saw at your wonderful alma mater. How dreadful. I wonder if you parents feel like they got their money's worth.

5:05 PM  
Blogger Angelposh said...

Oh lord, let it go.

SMU IS exactly like The Phantom said it is. You may not be a Tom, Ashley or a Brad and not drive an $80,000 car.

You, however, sound more like a "Bubba."

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my goodness, such hostility.
I enjoy reading this blog, if you don't like what the author has to say, don't read it anymore.

Sounds like someone still has some hurt feelings about his college experience ....

Get over it.

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guess what, meaty boy? Stereotypes exist because there is some truth in them. I have watched pretty much the entire Class of 2009 and their parents come through this summer, and they, like every class before them, are proving the stereotypes right, from the overly hovering parents right down to the Louis Vuitton bags... but the Tiffany bracelets are conspicuously absent this season.

No one is going to fit the stereotypes exactly, but don't get all upset when you see yourself in one. Hell, I see MYSELF in some of them and giggle, because I was just sure that I was not the typical SMU student when I stepped wide-eyed onto campus a few years back. But you know, I can be typical too. Difference between you and me is that I accept this and move on, and you get upset about this bullshit [she is] spinning about how snobby and superficial and ignorant SMU students are when we both know that these stories would not exist if they had never happened in the first place, and happen on a regular basis. Don't whitewash SMU - the admissions brochures do a good job of that. In some ways, I like the snobbiness and over-reliance on appearances. It reminds me that I don't go to a perfect school, but where is it perfect? At Harvard? Give me a break. UTA? The students are a lot friendlier there, but I'd rather still get my business degree from Cox. I enjoy living in the real world, where people have idiosyncrasies; I don't get upset about it and bang my fists on the nearest floor.

And I am glad that your parents sacrificed so much for your college education. It means that you mean a lot to them, and I'm sure you're grateful. But please remember that just because they *had* that kind of money (we're talking close to $120,000, for you people not in the know) or the ability to pay back those debts does not make you any better than those of us who survive on scholarships and student loans because our parents can't do that for us.

And before you get all huffy about that, YEAH, that is what you are coming across as. ...bitch and moan because you have zero money and many people at SMU have more $$ than you'll ever have makes no sense to me. Sounds a lot like that parent who berated Prof. Liner as "one of those ladies who hates pretty girls because she's jealous and doesn't even wear makeup." That comment you made about people who don't have class? Sometimes the traits we call others out on are the ones we despise most in ourselves.

8:31 PM  
Anonymous Natalie said...

I absolutely adore this blog...
I take pride in this school, too. I love it AND know that it has its faults, just like every organization on this planet. So, I've learned to laugh at the cons and enjoy the pros! My parents don't make hundreds of thousands a year and I earn everything I have, besides school tuition, with a part-time job. I don't fit into the stereotype of my school, but the Ashleys, Toms, and Brads definitley exist! Anyone who attends my school and says otherwise is flat out lying.
Stereotypes exist everywhere, and I think it's great to point them out and find humor in them! Don't like it? Don't read it!

12:00 AM  
Blogger James said...

Good stuff here, and I'm glad you opened up for comments. I often wondered what readers, in particular those at SMU, had to say about what they read here. I never questioned the stories I've read here, I've seen all of this in some guise in different venues so I can appreciate that there's truth in all of this, but for that you can't help but wonder what those in the midst of it all have to say themselves. Well, I hope you keep the comments going, even if they may at times invite a few hostile remarkds.

5:23 AM  
Anonymous Nathan S. said...

Ms. Liner,

Your blog is a good read, and you should take pride in it. Don't listen to the idiots who dislike you, stereotypes exist for a reason. I grew up in the SMU area and I know more Brad and Ashley stories that you could ever imagine! I am a student at a private school in Florida(One that is actually good at football), and those stereotypes are true here as well. The only thing different are the names! I look forward to reading your book, and good luck in all your future endeavors!

11:53 AM  
Anonymous lucille said...

As a college professor myself, I really feel for Mr. Meatsweats' parents. If that's how he came out, then they clearly picked the wrong college -- or the wrong kid to send.

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a current student at SMU and I have to say that I love reading this blog. It's so refreshing to hear the truth spit out to the world.

Everything that you've pointed out here is absolutely true. There are the infamous Brads and Ashleys, the expensive accesories, and on the opposite end you have the students, like me, who are making ends meet through scholarship and grants.

When I first came to SMU it was surreal because it really is "a bubble." I seriously contemplated transferring out after the first 2 semesters, but I've come to realize that the pros of this school far outweigh the cons. The professors are excellent and the opportunities I've received here I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to receive anywhere else.

You just have to find the good in every situation. Keep writing and forget about the trolls.

12:55 PM  
Blogger Mr. Meatsweats said...

My apologies to Elaine...what I said was, indeed, out of line. Its just that people need to realize the diffenerence between stereotypes and facts. Many girls at SMU wear $2000 shoes and carry even more expensive purses - fact, not steoreotype. So its hard for me, somebody without much money, to sit back and listen to all these people pigeonhole the rest of us. If it's such an unbiased blog, then surprise me Elaine and write something positive about an Ashley or a Brad, because money doesn't grow on trees and they're parents, as well as mine, have earned every cent that goes to our education, school, your salary, etc. Thank you, and love and hugs to CCPA.

2:32 PM  
Anonymous Megan said...

I'm a student at a private college in Texas. I stumbled upon your blog about a month ago, and I wanted to let you know that I enjoy and appreciate your words. Thanks for opening it to comments. :)

10:47 AM  
Anonymous Julie said...

I think the most attractive part about this blog is that it doesn't matter what school you went to or teach at or whatever. We can ALL identify with parts of these stories, from all walks of life and all different experiences we've had. I think it's a shame for some to take things so personally, it's obviously not intended to be that way. SMU is only ever identified by it's students, the rest of us would have no idea what school she's talking about because it sounds just like every other college out there.

12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Meatsweats,

Your last post does get your point across better, but I must say that I think Elaine has written positive stories. I can tell you that all the stories are entertaining. If everything was perfect, Elaine wouldn't have anything interesting to write about.

Also, don't take it personally when she talks about Ashley and Brad. If you aren't wearing $2000 shoes and actually did your work (rather than your parents demand that you get a grade you didn't earn), then, those stories are not about you.

I don't think anyone assumes that everyone who goes to school at SMU is an Ashley or a Brad. However, the percentage of Ashleys and Brads at SMU is probably higher than other area schools.

When I was in college, I wanted to perform well for my professors, and even when something happened that was out of my control (this happened a couple of times), I never expected the professor to rule in my favor because you know, life happens. So, I had to handle the consequences.

Here's a little story about me that is true. Maybe I should have escalated my issue, but I just decided that it's life, and sometimes, life throws you a curve ball.

I was in my last semester of getting my MBA. I was halfway done with the course that I was in, and I was writing a paper that was due the next day by noon. It was 10 p.m. I had spent about seven hours already on this paper. I probably needed another two or two and a half hours to go. I was also five months pregnant.

Something happened and I higlighted my entire paper and hit the delete button just as I was saving the document. This all happened in a quick moment of distraction. All my work had been deleted. I called my husband in to see if there was any backup of my document anywhere on my computer. He's a tech nerd, and he was my only hope. I had that hollow feeling in my stomach because I knew what this meant. I would not be graduating on time since I would need to pull an all-nighter to redo all the work I just deleted, and I had to work the next day.

At five months pregnant, I wasn't sure I could actually do that. However, I knew the professor wasn't going to care about my story because it wasn't her problem. It was my problem that I was working on my assignment late, and it was my problem that I had a full-time job. Anyway, my husband convinced me that I could not pull an all-nighter and go to work the next day when I was five months pregnant. So, I left a message for my professor explaining what happened.

The next day, I was devestated and cried all day. I was worried about what the professor would say, and I was upset at the prospect that I would not complete my MBA before my baby was born. My professor called me the next day and told me that she would allow me an additional 24 hours to turn in my paper, but the highest grade I would be able to make was a 50!

I dropped the class. I had been so distraught over the situation that I had drained my body of all its energy, and would have to again pull a late, late night since I had to work the next day. And the most I would earn was a 50. Not worth it.

I was saddened that the professor had made the decision that she made because I knew what this meant for me and my family. I would have to put off school until I could manage class, baby, and work. I took a year and a half off from school, and I am about to complete my MBA (finally) in two weeks.

It never occurred to me to play hard ball with my professor or my school. I accepted what happened as an extremely unfortunate event. Even though I wish my professor would have let me turn my paper in with full credit so that I didn't have to drop the class, I understand that she didn't know if I was making up my story. She had to be fair to other students, and by allowing me to turn my paper in late would not have been fair, even if I didn't have control over the split-second distraction that resulted in my paper being lost.

Anyway, I didn't intend for this post to be so long. But my point is that there is a big difference in how I handled my situation and how some students who feel they are entitled to everything handle situations. I am glad that Elaine is telling us these stories. For me, it helps me realize good things about myself. For that, I thank you, Elaine.

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